tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post114818223216567929..comments2024-03-06T05:30:41.694-05:00Comments on Pho's Akron Pages: TEL: I’m Not Dead YetScott Piephohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05849171870929674248noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-52663585069018155802007-06-13T12:35:00.000-04:002007-06-13T12:35:00.000-04:00I ended up here from the Carnival link to your sit...I ended up here from the Carnival link to your site.<BR/><BR/>"I've read this stuff over and over and I have to tell you, no pun intended, on its face and in its implications (which aren't at all clear), the TEL is very hard to understand."<BR/><BR/>Yep, the Blackwell and Buckeye Institute TEL was very hard to understand. The version drafted by B/BI was like 2007['s Comprehensive Immigration reform: too many things in one amendment. Once folks got hold of the text, even us supporters of the TABOR concept had to bail on B/BI TEL Amendment.<BR/><BR/>A core problem in B/BI TEL was simply these few words: It capped State AND LOCAL expenditures.<BR/><BR/>The result would have been what Kyle said: "He told me that in short, TEL will take budgetary power away from local governments and concentrate it in the governor's mansion." The TEL paragraphs explained local taxes going up to the state and the locals having to get it back.<BR/><BR/>The BabyTEL got it right: limits ONLY STATE expenditure increases.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, TABOR only applies to State expenditures. If TABOR was so terrible, Coloradoans would have kill it entireley. Instead, they only took a 5-year break from it. The baseline for the TABOR calculation is floating temporarily, and a new baseline will be used at the end of the 5 years to limit future annual expenditure increases.<BR/><BR/>Pho, my compliments on your coverage. You wrote up Blackwell's political handling of the TEL better than any I've yet read. (As above shows, I like to focus on the text-to-policy parts rather than the political maneuvering.)<BR/>IMHO, BabyTEL is actually easy to explain; much easier than B/BI TEL. Blackwell lost the general campaign (well, my vote at least. I skipped voting in that race.) because Blackwell never made an effort to defend BabyTEL, aka Legis-TEL.<BR/><BR/>CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148304596013435672006-05-22T09:29:00.000-04:002006-05-22T09:29:00.000-04:00Red,I agree. Something like "Ken Blackwell is rea...Red,<BR/><BR/>I agree. Something like "Ken Blackwell is really the candidate of big state government. We all know how that has worked the past 8 years."Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664802027513657167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148253331750201972006-05-21T19:15:00.000-04:002006-05-21T19:15:00.000-04:00Are you saying that Taft isn't a demcratic incumbe...Are you saying that Taft isn't a demcratic incumbent? Who knew?TBMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307356618268638627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148250684365369652006-05-21T18:31:00.000-04:002006-05-21T18:31:00.000-04:00I took budgeting in the MPA program at The Univers...I took budgeting in the MPA program at The University of Akron this past semester. I asked my professor, who is the budget director for a county in NE Ohio, about what effect TEL would have on his job. He told me that in short, TEL will take budgetary power away from local governments and concentrate it in the governor's mansion. TEL will cap spending at 6%, but the governor has the power to grant exceptions. I don't know the details of how that works because I've been too busy to investigate, but I thought I would share that.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17664802027513657167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148217605475866952006-05-21T09:20:00.000-04:002006-05-21T09:20:00.000-04:00Red - That's precisely the problem, though: "expla...Red - That's precisely the problem, though: "explain all this nonsense."<BR/><BR/>Nonsense is hard to explain in the first place - that's why it's called nonsense in the first place. I've read this stuff over and over and I have to tell you, no pun intended, on its face and in its implications (which aren't at all clear), the TEL is very hard to understand.<BR/><BR/>Does anyone - the ODP, Strickland, anyone else - have a clear, concise, layman's version of what it says and what it means - both objectively as well as from partisan perspectives (i.e., why X types would like it, why Y types won't)? Because that's what I feel like I need right now. That Blackwell promoted it is enough to make me not want it, of course. But if I want to explain to others why it's a problem in all forms, I need to understand it better.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175591212176951287noreply@blogger.com