tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post114796262388175259..comments2024-03-06T05:30:41.694-05:00Comments on Pho's Akron Pages: No TELlin'Scott Piephohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05849171870929674248noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148011311776894672006-05-19T00:01:00.000-04:002006-05-19T00:01:00.000-04:00Ask them what life in the United States was like b...<I>Ask them what life in the United States was like between 1950 and 1965.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah yes, the days of black-market abortions and segregated lunch counters.Jason Sonensheinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974742966503776194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148008729550981792006-05-18T23:18:00.000-04:002006-05-18T23:18:00.000-04:00One reason the TEL was pulled was buried in a Plai...One reason the TEL was pulled was buried in a Plain Dealer article today, it said:<BR/><BR/>"In a confidential May 8 memo to its executive committee, the Cincinnati chamber characterized the TEL as ambiguous and noted that "numerous tax and expenditure limitations" exist in current law. <BR/><BR/>It pointed out that a similar amendment in Colorado generated more than 200 lawsuits and warned that Blackwell's plan could invite lawsuit abuse."<BR/><BR/>No one in the business community apparently supported the TEL and Blackwell knew it, his campaign was desperate to save face and to avoid having the corporate community funding the campaign against his failed TEL amendment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148006506804372122006-05-18T22:41:00.000-04:002006-05-18T22:41:00.000-04:00Well this is what I'm talking about. I wind up th...Well this is what I'm talking about. I wind up the blog and let it go. Come back at night and find a nice healthy discussion going on.<BR/><BR/>54 is doing a fine job without me, but I'll hit on a few points. First off, Unix thinks I'm young which probably means my writings sound naive to him. Oh well. In fact I describe myself as approaching middle age and in doing so, I am taking optimistic liberties with the actuarial tables.<BR/><BR/>Beware of Republicans bearing gifts. Whenever a Republican offers advice for Democrats it always turns out to be "Act more like Republicans." Unix thinks doing so will woo Southern social conservatives back to the party. I respond with the wise words of Lyle Lovett: "If I were the man you wanted, I would not be the man that I am."<BR/><BR/>I happen to believe that allowing gay couples to sancitify their relationship is a moral issue. I don't approve of gay bathhouse culture, but then I don't approve of straight fraternity culture either. In point of fact, the most accomplished stick men I knew in college turned out to be almost uniformly Republican. I don't mind having a dialogue about advocating for sexual morality but I don't think Democrats can win much with it because 1) the social conservatives can always move farther to the right and 2) too much of that 49% who voted for Kerry won't stand for the sort of hypocrisy Unix is embracing.<BR/><BR/>Yes, that 49% is really a fly in Unix's "It's a done deal" ointment. Democrats face many challenges, but we are not the overwhelming underdogs that U says we are. And that's considering the snapshot of today. The Republican coalition is showing the same signs of strain that have bedeviled Democrats for years.<BR/><BR/>Finally, if you are going to pepper your lecture with "you are too young to remember" bromides, you might want to avoid discussing the defection of the Dixiecrats. Back then the party switches were about nothing so much as race. Dixiecrats were an accident of history. They were pro-segregationist southerners who (now I'm paraphrasing John Prine) voted against Eisenhower because Lincoln won the war. Lyndon Johnson predicted when he signed the Civil Rights Act that Democrats had lost the South for a generation. Were it not for Nixon's brazen criminality, he would have been right.Scott Piephohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05849171870929674248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148003053734842962006-05-18T21:44:00.000-04:002006-05-18T21:44:00.000-04:00Unix...As to your second comment. I agreed with it...Unix...<BR/><BR/>As to your second comment. I agreed with it 100% until you get to the part about "campus intellectuals". I may be too young to remember these things (I'm 29), but I consider myself a student of history and I long for Democrats (or someone) to put forth real leadership and new ideas like a New New Deal, or a virtual equivalent of Eisenhower's interstate system. <BR/><BR/>Where we went wrong was not from "campus intellectuals", "Hollywood elite" or other right wing straw men, but in letting corporate power usurp democratic (small d) power. It was Nixon who shamed a nation and with that came apathy, lower voter partcipation and an opening for fundamentalist theocracy to begin taking hold. This is obviously an oversimplification, but the narrative is there.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, I don't always like what I see when I look at Democrats, but what I see on the other side of the aisle scares me to death and when I read something like these right wing talking points that you've posted here I feel compelled to comment.54cermakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15697934538228318427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1148002447910137942006-05-18T21:34:00.000-04:002006-05-18T21:34:00.000-04:00Unix...There aren't more of you. The problem is th...Unix...<BR/><BR/>There aren't more of you. The problem is that there are more of you that vote right now. And I think thats because where Democrats have failed is by their own inertia and lack of leadership. They've sold out many of their constituencies. Not to Hollywood but to corporate America. There's a reason why the "they're all the same" meme has taken hold so strongly, because there's some very real truth in it. And when you don't see a difference you don't vote. There are other reasons why urban residents don't vote in the numbers that they should, but thats for another discussion. <BR/><BR/>I don't know what backwoods holler you live in, but if you want to brand gay people, union members, artists and others as "perverts", "filth" and "weirdos" then thats called being a bigot. The trajectory of American history is one of expanding tolerance and inclusion. If you want a country of oppression and regressive ideas, then it's your right to fight for it, but know that what you're fighting for is against the grain of the American spirit and that if you win, you've created a new country, one that I want no part of and you shouldn't be so surprised when you see people start to mobilize against your efforts.<BR/><BR/>As for the south's growing auto industry. You act as if the Japanese moved there out of virtue and thats a load of you know what (this is Pho's space and I will hold my tongue). The foreign automakers wanted cheap, uneducated labor that they could pay depressed wages to and they found just the suckers in Mississippi and Alabama, which are still two of the poorest states in the country. Some good "right to work" (sic) laws are doing there! <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, the other place Japanese automakers are flocking to is Canada, because there they can pay their workers a living wage without having to pay health costs. But I suppose you still don't see the wisdom of national health care either.54cermakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15697934538228318427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13368104.post-1147979412509597042006-05-18T15:10:00.000-04:002006-05-18T15:10:00.000-04:00Pho, great roundup on this issue. I just hope Dems...Pho, great roundup on this issue. I just hope Dems remain vigilant. TEL was not the only thing that makes Blackwell a lethally dangerous candidate for Ohio. <BR/><BR/>As for unix guy, both parties have their own share of unsavory patrons. Though I'm a fan of neither, I'd much rather let David Geffen into my home than Jerry Falwell. But thats just me. Still, I think you make a strong point about real leadership unfortunately you have to couch it with language about "leg spreading feminists" and "gay bathouses". Its bigotry like that which makes the current face of the GOP so unappealing. (well that and a bunch of unnecessary foreign adventures, a legislative agenda thats written by and for corporations only and a base voting bloc that would like to bring about the apocalypse)54cermakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15697934538228318427noreply@blogger.com